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Taurus · Oct 01, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

With my recent frustration in Random Arenas ( RA ) monking for warriors that did no damage, I decided to write this small small guide with some directions for warriors that want to get some gladiator points.

First you have got to put together a build, good builds are W/E ( axe or swords ) with the shock skill and bullls strike or a Hammer warrior with attack speed buffs.

Ermm... you dont like shock/axe or Hammer or any of those builds that everybody uses.. ok then, get your brain to work and think about a new build, but before you make a warrior with gladiators defense-dolyak signet-riposte, take a look at these guidelines :

-You should always expect to have a monk on your team or else your not going to make it to 10 consecutive wins ( except a few rare cases ), so self healing is pretty good, but not required, make a build primarily damage-based.

-The build your making should not only have damage but something else, that something else either conditions ( a lot of them ), KD's ( a few, 2 are fine ), interrupts ( 2 is required ) or all of them together if you want.

-An advice I give to you is to test the build in the Isle of the nameless, there are some npcs there for testing, but look for the master of enchantment and master of healing. Taking down the master of enchantment is a hard job, depends on the player skill also, but if your able to take him out in less than 1 minute, your done with your build.

Having a good build and knowing how to run it is already a big step into your 10 consecutive, the rest is teamplay. Well good luck on your gladiator titles now, hopefully this helps.

Undressed · Oct 01, 2006, 05:20 PM // 17:20

They don't want to inflict maximum damage, they want to outlast all others, aka surviving. Being the last man standing gives them a kick. It's like in those ancient Gladiator games held in Rome. You shouldn't expect too much thought and teamplay in RA, however there are some who accept to learn, yes, also some of those hated whammos. However there is no other place for them to go beause they'll get stomped brutally and steamrolled in a few seconds. That's why the RA will never lose its "flavor".

Try whispering people in a friendly way after you beat them and suggest them a build. Not everybody will yell you a noob. In fact, I notice a lot top guild players to burst out in immaturity in local by mocking newbs, (rank)emoting over corpses. Weak personalitites who seem to get an erection off it.

comonnow · Oct 01, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

rofl, theres nothing better than emoting a monk with divine spirit... nothing!

stueyman2099 · Oct 14, 2006, 08:54 AM // 08:54

A good point that was brought up on the guild ventrillo, and I hope anyone who plays an overly defensive warrior in RA thinks on this. Playing with 2 self heals, stances, and only 1 attack skill isn't playing to win the game, it's playing to not lose. You will be alive, but 90% of the time that doesn't matter when it's 4v1.

Zui · Oct 14, 2006, 08:59 AM // 08:59

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10029672

Very good point stuey. However, the stance tanks won't reconsider :P

Program Ftw · Oct 19, 2006, 11:47 AM // 11:47

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Random arenas is full of scrubs, it has, and never will change. Sure it's fun to go into RA every few days for 10 mins and wipe people, but I don't see how you can complain about the playing level of people there.

From past experiences its used by W/Mos with a 13% While hexed fellblade who will spam it in the pre game wait, and have such a large E-Peen they won't take advice. The very rare species of these W/Mo's have a emote, otherwise known as a Bambii. These are the elite tribal leaders, who not only have Mending, but also have access to Bonetti's Defense and Defy pain.

If you're going into RA trying to get a Glad point, go to TA.

Franco · Oct 19, 2006, 03:21 PM // 15:21

lol to the 13 while hexed fellblade and the bambii :P.

RA IS FUN its not competitive play, its to have fun, you cant go in RA with a idea of teaching people how to play because most people are just there to test builds, have fun or just annoy others.

Thom · Oct 19, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

You can't win consistantly, but having a solid build will definitely enhance your chances of winning. Balance the ability to survive and kill. Utility skills are your friend. Crippers are great because they are a one man pressure team with decent damage coming from one skill.

Program Ftw · Oct 20, 2006, 10:17 AM // 10:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franco

lol to the 13 while hexed fellblade and the bambii :P.

It's true though.

Fr_3_aK · Oct 22, 2006, 02:44 AM // 02:44

Id like to say this:

1) If your warrior cant kill the master of enchantments in 20 seconds dont take him to PvP

2) You dont need a monk to get a Glad point. A rez sig will get your more glad points than a monk will.

TheOneMephisto · Oct 22, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

RA is for faction grinding (playing monk = free faction). The only reason I ever use it is for getting on my monk and praying for as many warriors/assassins with damage on my team as possible. If I can do that, free faction. Hoping for glad points from RA? Not a good idea.

Clinically Proven · Oct 22, 2006, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Hmmm, this thread reminds me of an Ensign quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

The reason you should not use Frenzy in arena, is because you are a moron and will only get yourself killed with it. You should not use a vampiric weapon either, because you will forget to switch it off and degen out.

If you are a moron you should play a W/Mo with Healing Hands, Healing Breeze, Vigorous Spirit, and stances. Everyone will know you're a moron, but you'll be an *alive* moron while your team collapses around you.

hazmat · Oct 23, 2006, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Nice quote Clinically proven.

Its actually pretty easy and quick to farm glads in RA as a boon if you can hold off your rage. There are other certain builds you can easily farm glads in RA, like a wanderlust rit, blind bot, dual failure mesmer - all you need is a half decent monk and you're home and hosed.
It all depends on the time of day and what zones you are in. To be honest, at some times theres actually better players in RA than TA.

If you're experiencing rage in RA, the "get some friends together and go to TA " is probably the best advice of all.

Patccmoi · Oct 25, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

For me RA IS to try out stuff and just kill time when i'm bored, waiting for GvG or something. When I play RA it's to have fun, not necessarily to 'achieve' something or gain some meaningless glad points. I'm UAX since months. I nearly never RA anymore because as long as there's 2-3 more people on in guild or flist we'll do something organized, but telling people to go for certain builds in RA and play EXPECTING to have a monk is kinda lame imo. It pretty much comes out to saying 'i play monk, i want glad points, pick a build that complement me. It doesn't matter if you enter 30 times in a row without a monk in your team because when i play i play monk and if you're with me i want you all out damage'. If you're not playing for glad points (and so not leaving everytime there isn't a monk on your team), expecting to have a monk means you will lose much more often than not. I got plenty of glad points still with teams not having any monk, because people were self-sufficient. I'm not saying Glad's Def-Dolyak Signet warrior is good. A warrior should do pressure. But if someone is pure tank on my team, i mostly laugh it off, sometimes give tips if they seem like someone that will listen, and either leave after win if they're not or we lose and team changes. It's RA. People that never PvPed start in RA and they don't read forums much.

Yes, monk in RA is about the easiest way to gain glad points, possibly even easier than TA, especially if you quit teams until you get one that fits. But not everyone goes in RA because they want a glad point. A glad point gained from boon-prot in RA means about as much as those people gained killing Zaishen.

It just all seem kinda paradoxal to me because you're pretty much asking people to take RA seriously. It's like asking people to bring solid 4 men builds in AB. RA and AB are to mess around. You can still test things (for example in AB you can test soloing/runner builds, and in RA you can test how certain combos work as long as you have the brain enough to understand that if it works in RA it doesn't necessarily mean it works elsewhere), or just make funny builds. If you play RA to play serious PvP, you're in the wrong arena. Sometimes i'll go in RA with a Ripostes warrior, just cause it's funny to see other warriors/assassins kill themselves on you and not switch target. Is it a good build in other forms of PvP? NO! I'd never take that over a Shock Axe in GvG. But it's in RA, so i'll do what i find fun, not what has the best chances to win with a perfect team draw...

If you're frustrated in RA, i think that it's a good sign that it's time to switch PvP type. RA is fun to test things and kill time, but in small dose. After 30 min, that glad's def/dolyak warrior stops being funny to get on your team and i prefer getting out of RA than getting frustrated with some guy who likely just started PvPing and who is at the point where he has no chance out of RA anyway.

JR · Oct 25, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

*sigh*

Posts deleted, less garbage please.

Not up for debate.

Makkert · Oct 25, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taurus

-You should always expect to have a monk on your team or else your not going to make it to 10 consecutive wins ( except a few rare cases ), so self healing is pretty good, but not required, make a build primarily damage-based.

You make it sound that a player that drops into a team without a monk better drop out and retry his luck. RA has its own laws, and one of the laws is that with a bit of self healing, you can come a long way.

Quote:

-The build your making should not only have damage but something else, that something else either conditions ( a lot of them ), KD's ( a few, 2 are fine ), interrupts ( 2 is required ) or all of them together if you want.

In RA, much like PvE, almost everything goes. I took a Zaishen farming build for a joke into RA: Empathy, Backfire, stuff like that. It rocked. It rocked, for the same reason Rit spammers with Pain rock in RA: the level of players in RA is just very low. Which also explains 'everything goes'.

Quote:

-An advice I give to you is to test the build in the Isle of the nameless, there are some npcs there for testing, but look for the master of enchantment and master of healing. Taking down the master of enchantment is a hard job, depends on the player skill also, but if your able to take him out in less than 1 minute, your done with your build.

that sounds like a good suggestion for the RA players.

Quote:

Having a good build and knowing how to run it is already a big step into your 10 consecutive, the rest is teamplay. Well good luck on your gladiator titles now, hopefully this helps.

It takes 4 players with moderate skill. But that is hard enough in RA...
Teamplay in RA is rare. Close to non-existent...

Darkpower Alchemist · Oct 25, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

RA lives up to its name.It's random. You can come in solid, but the team you pair up with most likely won't be.

Once you except that, you are on the right path,IMHO.

The Isle of the nameless is perfect to start with. If you want to play anti warrior, test yourself against the masters of axe and hammer. The axe masters stops the mending rocking wammos on impact. The Master of hammers is a mending rocking wammo, so the build isn't all lame, now is it.

The Masters of Healing and Enchantments will test anyone, since they don't stay still and heal constantly. Killing those two would be a good practice run for your build.(My previous E/N build that I started a thread about went through all the masters btw for those who thought it was a horrible build

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TheOneMephisto · Oct 25, 2006, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Teamplay in RA? -laughs-

Seriously, the closest thing to teamwork that I've ever seen in RA is me on sin watching the warrior on our team for his devastating animation, then I would tele over and help kill the target. And that isn't even teamwork, that's just me being observant and him doing his own thing.

Blow Up Doll · Oct 27, 2006, 12:34 AM // 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Program Ftw

From past experiences its used by W/Mos with a 13% While hexed fellblade who will spam it in the pre game wait, and have such a large E-Peen they won't take advice. The very rare species of these W/Mo's have a emote, otherwise known as a Bambii. These are the elite tribal leaders, who not only have Mending, but also have access to Bonetti's Defense and Defy pain.

Then there is the w/mo with empathetic removal and a nice bar who rolls you in 3 seconds offloading his adren and pheonixs over you, his gold trim cape swirling around him. Then you wake up.
Its Ra... good players do go there but so do really really bad people. As stated... go to teams.
(BTW glyph of ele power -> shatterstone -> vapour blade -> ice spear = 471 dmg in about 3 seconds = omfg leet hax nerf nerf nerf)

Djinn Effer · Oct 27, 2006, 05:00 AM // 05:00

I get angry playing RA, mostly cause you don't lose because of yourself.. You lose because of the other 3 people on your team are horrible. What exactly is the point of getting gladiator titles anyways? You don't get emotes.